Flight MH17 Shot Down By Air To Air Missile: New Straits Times

New Straits Times is the newspaper of record in Malaysia. It is not government owned but has close toes to the Malaysian Government.

from New Straits Times,

US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft
By Haris Hussain – 7 August 2014 @ 8:20 AM

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

In a damning report dated Aug 3, headlined “Flight 17 Shoot-Down Scenario Shifts”, Associated Press reporter Robert Parry said “some US intelligence sources had concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame”.

This new revelation was posted on GlobalResearch, an independent research and media organisation.

Continue reading the report which after detailing the Kiev’s denials goes on to reveal information even more damning for the Ukraine and United states military and intelligence agencies. The Malaysians have even gone so far as to suggest the USA deliberately withheld important information because it would have undermined their attempts to blame Russia. Mainstream media in the west has of course not printed or broadcast a word on this sensational story.

mh17 wreckageA fragment of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flight MH17, showing damage consistent with 30mm calibre machine gun fire (source New Straits Timeswhen I first suggested, shortly after the disaster and in the hours after President Obama had claimed to possess ‘compelling evidence’ that anti – Kiev rebels in Ukraine were responsible, that we should reserve judgement as it was too soon for any real evidence to have been gathered, I was jumped on by someone who accused me of being a gullible, right wing extremist conspiracy theorist for taking the reasonable line (read the comment thread). Thanks to Michael St Mark for joining in the fun by pointing out that while the Russians had produced their evidence pointing (inconclusively) to Kiev, the USA had produced nothing.

You may remember than when challenged by American reporters on the evidence Obama had claimed, a US State Department representative referred the press conference attendees to ‘social media’.

actually the timeline of events immediately after the disaster followed the pattern laid down in the CIA playbook. Straight away after a major disaster, the US government blames an organisation it wants to discredit. This grabs headlines around the world and makes an impression on minds. Much later when the full details emerge the case is far less clear cut but of course the propaganda game is over by then. The problem is the USA has pulled this stunt so many times nobody believes them any more, except for a few half wit bloggers who never stop to think before hitting they keyboard to announce that they have special insight and do not need to wait for evidence.

There is still no absolute detailed proof of what happened and probably never will be. There is however enough evidence to establish what did not happen.

I’d like to think my critic is a big enough man to come by now and admit he was wrong and I was right (but certainly not right wing – I’m not the authoritarian idiot that tries to shout down people who hold different opinions) and that in future he will respect my superior intelligence.

I will not be holding my breath however.

The first comment in the thread, from Mark, a visitor, cites some claims made by the American government about alleged admissions of responsibility. Don’t be misled by this blatant attempt to undermine my post, the claim made by a rogue rebel leader in east Ukraine who thought a Ukrainian military aircraft had been shot down and was trying to make a name for himself was quickly proved to be false. All the points so far made by people determined to support the lies of the warmongering American President and his lackey have been comprehensively dealt with and for ease of reference are tagged mh17. So from that you may assume Mark is too dim witted or too arrogant to do a bit of research, the answers are all there, he just refuses to believe them because they don’t fit his prejudices.

Funny Things Happen In Ukraine – The Destriction Of The Convoy That Didn’t Exist
Another Obama Sponsored Genocide – not Alawi or Christians In Syria but Yazidi in Iraq.

9 thoughts on “Flight MH17 Shot Down By Air To Air Missile: New Straits Times

  1. Is the author not aware that is was ‘separatists’ that announced THEY had shot down the plane ‘over Torez, Donetsk region – even announcing the Progress Mine as where it fell?

    Only thing is they said it was an AN-26 – until they fond out their mistake

    The OSCE representative clearing stated his was no expert, but the holes looked like bullet holes

    The Russian Newspaper – Novaya Gazeta – July 25th apologised to the Netherlands’ people stating it was the Russian backed rebels

    ‘Funny’ you didn’t mention that


    • The author is aware of that and is also aware that you are about two weeks off the pace. Things have moved on a lot since the mainstream media fakery you refer to.

      Try to keep up.

      So I did not mention the bullshit you refer to because it was simply not true, just part of Obama’s war propaganda. He wants war with Russia for some reason and will do anything to provke Putin.

      If you want war you’re sick.


      • Let’s have a look what kind of regime our leftie friends are supporting shall we?

        Ukraine-News Flash: Bloodiest Days of Ukraine’s Ethnic Cleansing Expected to Come Now

        Home / Editorials / Ukraine-News Flash: Bloodiest Days of Ukraine’s Ethnic Cleansing Expected to Come Now
        Ukraine-News Flash: Bloodiest Days of Ukraine’s Ethnic Cleansing Expected to Come Now

        3 hours ago 0 498 Views

        Eric Zuesse
        RINF Alternative News

        A reliably well-informed resident in the area that Obama’s Ukrainian regime is ethnically cleansing (i.e., exterminating and/or expelling) has informed this reporter (and all of this source’s previous reports to me have subsequently turned out to be true):
        “Kiev is attempting to blow up a chemical plant that will destroy a 600 KM diameter/ 300KM radius of area — every living thing.
        The largest battles of the war are starting today or tomorrow. I may not be able to update you. Lyashko wants to make our area bloody. He said it hasn’t been hit enough to feel it yet.”
        The object of the Ukrainian Government’s campaign is to produce as many residents there fleeing into Russia as possible, so that the voting-base that had elected the pro-Russian Ukrainian President whom Obama overthrew in February, Viktor Yanukovych, will no longer be Ukrainian voters.

        So we have the FUKUS axis backed neo Fascist government in Ukraine engaged in ethnic cleansing.

        We have ISIS, the Islamic State people who evolved out of fanatical groups in Syria that were formed into a single fighting force, armed, trained and funded by FUKUS axis nations engaged in genocide in Iraq.


        We have rebels backed by the FUKUS axis still fighting in Syria and now using rape as a weapon of war.

        And if we ever let the lefites back into power in Britain (and yes, I’m talking about Gauleiter Bollocks, Harriet Harperson, Red Ed Miliband and the rest) they’ll be inviting those suib human scum to seek asylum in Britain where the murderers and rapists will be able to help with the Islamification of The Sceptered Isle.


    • You are right Mark, but that story does not fit the worldview of people who believe in conspiracies.
      Therefore, the story has suddenly become labeled as fake. And if you don’t believe it was fake, you are a war mongering person…….;-)


      • Change the record rather than your name. No, Mark is NOT right, Mark is just repeating White House propaganda for which as yet, while yelling that we must believe Obama because he’s the good guy, they have produced not a single shred of evidence. The Kiev government has offered evidence so obviously faked it is comical.

        Meanwhile the Russians and numerous independent analysts have produced shitloads of evidence that stands up to examination.

        Mark’s scummy little trick of mentioning the OSCE examiner stating he was no expert on ballistics as if that proved the guy was wrong is duly noted. I’m not an expert on classical music but I know a bum note when I hear one.

        And the Malaysian Government, who have a legitimate interest as theit state airline has been shafted, have openly accused the Americans of witholding


  2. I am not talking about evidence from the Kiev government.
    I am talking about Igor Girkin, a Ukrainian separatist leader also known as Strelkov, who claimed responsibility on VKontakte for the downing of what he thought was an Ukrainian AN-26 plane but than changed his story after realizing that Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 had crashed.
    I am talking about rebels who claimed to have BUK missiles and than transported these out of their rebel held territory to Russia. This has been documented by AP journalists.

    In other words, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. The Russian rebels were the culprits.

    Scolding Obama does not change these facts. The fairy tale stories of the Russians don’t change these facts either.

    As a matter of fact, the newest story from Russia that Ukrainian Su-25 fighter planes were responsible for shooting down MH17 is even more ridiculous. A Su-25 plane cannot reach the 33,000 feet ceiling of a Boeing 777 as it can only reach 23,000 feet.

    Let’s not forget that the Russians also initially denied shooting down KAL007 and even initially denied that Ukraine accidentally shot down their Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 in 2001…………


    • Here’s a funny thing Kees.I just ran out of energy yesterday but I was going to approve your comment today and reply with another complete rebuttal of all your points,

      This would be an easy task as I had already rebutted them once, all you were doing is repeating the same propaganda lies. Ah well, as Josef Goebbels said (and I’m sure he’s one of your heroes) “Keep repeating the lie and it will become the truth.”

      However in view of your childish and petulant outburst above (which I can only assume was prompted by an infantile need for attention) I’m going to trash the comment you posted yesterday.

      And for the last time, you stupid little man, I do not believe anything about MH17, that is why I question things. Unlike you I do not blindly believe things because some authority figure tell me I have to.

      BTW I notice the Americans and their Nazi puppets in Kiev have still not produced any evidence to back up their version of events. Well how could they? There can be no evidence for fairy stories.

      Now fuck off and don’t pollute my blog again you Nazi. Go to some socialist blog where you can join like minded warmongering genocidists in their mutual masturbation sessions. Is that clear enough for you.


  3. You were going to approve my comment but, what a coincidence (!), it simply did not happen?

    Instead of disproving my arguments, which apparently was too hard for you, you decided instead to start name calling. How childish. How old are you? 12? You also seem to have a masturbation obsession.

    “I do not believe anything about MH17, that is why I question things.”
    You seem to lack understanding simple logic. First you should question things and only after digesting the answers you should decide not to believe the story. That is how logic works, that is how scientists do research. You sir, are not a scientist and you are ignorant about deductive reasoning. My father also survived a stroke, but even he does not make up such nonsense as you.

    To make your own comments even more idiotic, you label me as a Nazi and as a socialist. Make up your mind Ian Thorpe and label me either as a socialist or as a Nazi. And before you make up your mind, stay away from the bottle. It’s bad for you……;-)


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s