Dutch Dismiss Claims MH17 Downed By buk Missile – Laugh, I Nearly Shat

I hope humble pie tastes like well rotted snake dung, I really do. Why you might well ask.

Because I want those unimaginative, authority worshipping idiots who argued with us ‘conspiracy theorists’ (more accurately know as truth seekers) to throw up when they eat it. When we said that while the USA sought to justify an armed intervention in Ukraine by claiming pro – Russian separatists had shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 last year, in fact the evidence pointed towards the neo fascist puppet government in Ukraine being responsible, some people called us rude names, accused us of being lovers of Vlad (the imapler) Putin and of not being very intelligent.

It was of course they who were not being very intelligent. Believing propaganda without question if for the terminally stupid, questioning things is what intelligent people do. And usually it take considerable patience for those who question propaganda to be proved right. We waited thirty years for the cover up of the Westminster Paedophile ring to be exposed.

So this story, only nine months after the event is quick really. Just shows how utterly lacking substance the US Government claims were.

Dutch dismiss reports alleging MH17 downed by Buk missile

The Netherlands has denied reports that the Malaysia Airlines plane was downed by a Buk missile, killing all 298 passengers and crew last July.

The Dutch Safety Board (DSB), which is investigating the cause of the crash, responded to reports released earlier by Netherlands broadcaster RTL alleging that the flight MH17 was downed by a Russian-made anti-aircraft missile system.

“The investigation into the cause of the accident is in full progress and focuses on many more sources than only the shrapnel,” the DSB stated.

“Additional investigation material is welcome, but it is imperative that it can be indisputably shown that there is a relationship between the material and the downed aircraft,” the agency emphasized Thursday in a statement.

READ MORE: Ukraine media falsely claim Dutch prosecutors accused Russia of MH17 downing

RTL claimed on Thursday that a metal fragment from the crash site of the plane allegedly matches a surface-to-air Buk rocket. The piece was recovered by a Dutch journalist from the village of Grabovo several months ago, close to where the plane was brought down last year.

Earlier this month Ukrainian media made a gaffe, misquoting Dutch investigators as having accused Russia of shooting down the Malaysian Airlines flight.

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Ukrainian Soldier Testifies: We Shot Down MH17

No doubt some people, on reading this, will accuse me of reposting a propaganda piece from long defunct Soviet Union newspaper Pravda (yes Professor Want-War, I’m talking about you, you death worshipping creep.) That is the level the war or words betwen east and west has reached.

If you are not a brainwashed establishment lackey however, remember as you read what is below that the USA, UK and EU are every bit as adept at spin, misrepresentation and propaganda. Despite all the provokation in the hope of goading the Russians into firing the shot that would be heard around the world and signal the start of open global conflict, not a single shred of evidence has yet been produced to back up the Obama led narrative that pro Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine shot down the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777.

So intelligent people ought to approach it with open minds. Neither believe nor disbelieve but file the story away in memory (or bookmark this page) so as more evidence emerges you can join up the dots. And as for Professor Want-War, I’ve already made him eat his words, on Libya, syrian, The Kiev Putsch in Ukraine and MH17. Now he’s going to have to sick them up and eat them all over again.

from ukrainewar.info

Shooting Down MH 17 – BUK 312 Story False Says Ukraine Crew Member

BUK 312 – In Ukraine government territory (Anatoly Sharij)
BUK 312 – In Ukraine government territory (Anatoly Sharij)

The shoot down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 came into greater focus with the December 15 YouTube video featuring a former crew member of BUK self-propelled fire installation, number 312 (BUK 312). Ukraine’s government and others maintained that the BUK 312 unit shot down MH17 while manned by a resistance crew. The Obama administration championed that narrative holding both the resistance and Russia responsible for the 298 deaths on July 17. The interview was conducted by investigative journalist Anatoly Sharij and translated by Marina Stewart (see full test in English at end of this article). (Image: BUK 312 in Kiev junta terrotiry – Anatoly Sharij, reproduced under Creative Commons licence)

The 23-year-old former BUK 312 crewmember revealed that the missile unit was in fact manned by the Ukraine military. He outlines the missile system’s location and how it operated. The former sergeant also offered analysis and research indicating the very low probability that the 312 crew shot down MH17.

Claims that the eastern Ukraine resistance shot down MH 17 with a BUK system rely on a Ukraine government audiotape in which resistance commanders allegedly admit to the shoot down. The tape lost credibility when it was discovered that a key part of the recording was made hours before the crash. In addition, the tape was patched together, not a continuous conversation.

Read full story with numerous links to verifiable sources.

MH-17 Report False Flag Exposed After Revelation Passenger Was Wearing Oxygen Mask

Laugh? I nearly shat as I thought of all those hysterical lefties falling over themselves to follow Barack Obama blaming Russia for bringing down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over Ukraine. Obama of course had claimed the USA had compelling evidence that Russia was involved but when challenged to produce it, told media representatives he couldn’t as “it would compromise US National security” (i.e. prove the Americans are a bunch of trigger happy, war loving shits).

Since then of course a steady drip of factual and forensic evidence has shown it is more likely the USA / EU backed neo-Fascist regime in Ukraine was responsible for the outrage.

So as usual on the longer timeline I was right, they hysterical hand wringers were just being hysterical (one of them, a prize dick, asked me if I knew what hysterical meant – yes I do, both in the medical and the colloquial context and it is used colloquially here – do not be taken in by any argumentum ad auctōritās from some cupid stunt waving his qualifications at us or claiming he is a university lecturer as if that gives him some divine right to tell us what to think.

Such people have nothing except delusions of superiority to back up such attempts to suppress intelligent discussion. Read this and make up your own minds about the latest leak from the great Flight MH17 Cover UP:

Emirates Airways CEO Thinks He Knows What Happened to Flight MH370

from The Daily Stirrer

One of the two biggest stories in 2014 was the complete disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 on a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Seven months later not a trace of the Boeing 777 aircraft or any of its passengers has been located. As the official explanations grow increasingly more ludicrous, German magazine Spiegel Online is running an interview with Sir Tim Clark, CEO of Emirates Airlines who shares some interesting thoughts on what might have happened to the large and technically advanced aircraft. He also has some strong opinions on what certainly did NOT happen to it.

Clark (64) has been a senior manager for Emirates since 1985 and has played a big part in developing it into one of the world’s largest airlines. He is an acknowledgeable expert on the aviation industry. His view of the vanished Malaysian Airlines flight MH 370 is a provocative one. The plane that disappeared was a Boeing 777 and Emirates operates 127 such aircraft, more than any other airline in the world.

I Wonder if the screamers are going to dismiss him as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ because if they don’t, they owe me and many other rational thinkers in new media an apology. More likely they will just retreat further into the realm of fantasy.

4 Nation Cover Up On Fate Of MH17 – Laugh? I Nearly Shat

Perp Responsible For Downing In Ukraine of the Malaysian Airliner, Will Stay Hidden – five nation agreement to hide the facts implicates USA, Ukraine, Britain and Belgium

What about Malaysia, don’t they have an interest, you might well ask. Of course they do, but the government of Malaysia has an interest in the truth becoming public knowledge, while it seems to others do not.

But what amused me about the nearest thing we are going to get to a resolution to this terrible event? It was a laugh of bitter irony actually, not about the event itself but the vitriolic attacks on me by stupid people who wanted to brand me a conspiracy theorist and right wing extremist because I disbelieved the ludicrous claims made by Barack Obama that he had ‘compelling evidence’ (i.e. he read it on Twitter) that Russia was in some way responsible.

from Washington’s Blog – Posted on August 24, 2014 by Eric Zuesse

Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of that nation’s Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-translated by google), “the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed the corresponding agreement.”

This UNIAN report said that, “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’ will not be disclosed.” In other words: the official ‘investigation’ is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currently waging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial ‘news’ reports in Western ‘news’ media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government’s bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western ‘news’ reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down.

If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the ‘investigation’ will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power over the making-public of the study’s findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.

On August 12th, another pro-Ukrainian-Government ‘news’ site, gordonua.com, headlined, as auto-translated by google, “GPU: The results of the investigation [into the] crash [of] the Boeing 777 will be released with the consent of the parties,” and said, “Information about the accident MH17 in the Donetsk region will be published in obtaining the consent of all the parties that are involved in the investigation.” UNIAN was cited there as gordonua’s sole source. ‘News’ media didn’t probe the matter further.

Read full post at Washington’s Blog

Another POV:
The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement” – Global Research

And so that you are forewarned against illiterate clown who comes along trying to tell you that only people who wear tin foil hats believe in conspiracies, let me remind you that a conspiracy is simply a group of people who are working together towards a mutually beneficial end and who will go to some lengths to keep knowledge of their collaboration out of the public domain. Simples – and not a tinfoil hat wearing, paedophile, shapeshifting, baby eating, alien reptillian Zionist banker in sight.

lizard person
(Source: Blogspot commons)

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Is It Lack Of Diversity That Makes Lefties Stupid?

Quite a while ago now I wrote a post titled “Is It Lack Of Diversity That Drives Left wing Hate?” It contained these lines:

There’s an old joke;
Q: “Why do teenagers only listen to other teenagers?” A: “Because they’re stupid.”
Q: “Why are teenagers stupid?” A: Because they only listen to other teenagers.”

Substitute leftie, liberal, radical or progressive for teenager and that just about sums up the political ‘left’. There is no diversity of opinion, unorthodox ideas are frowned on and deviation from the dogma (going off message) is an unforgivble sin. Thus they only ever talk to like minded people and their prejudices become reinforced.

a gathering of lefties celebrate their diverityA gathering of lefties celebrate their diversity (source)

Just recently the resident leftie pains in the arse have been irritating me a bit as I have tried to explore the news issues being most blatantly misrepresented in propaganda published by government / mainstream media. I wouldn’t mind so much but all these people can offer by way of rhetoric is screams of “conspiracy theorist” (I don’t find spurious links to form hasty conclusions, instead like a level headed and open minded commentator I consider all angles) and irrational name calling (right wing extremist might be an insult in the eyes of our Khymer Rouge fellow traveller colleagues, who are all scum sucking spawn of a pox whore’s scab lice (now that’s a insult), but anyone who thinks it describes my views is just politically illiterate).

The other illustration of rhetorical incompetence from such people is to try claiming that I and similar ‘nut jobs’ are among a very small lunatic fringe who doubt the propaganda. The most recent issue this kind of dispute has centred on is the question of “Who Shot Down flight MH17?

As I have already posted links to New Straits Times of Malaysia (that country’s leading newspaper) Times of India (that counry’s leading newspaper) and many other reliable sources only to have the lefties respond by repeating American propaganda lies that were discredited weeks ago, (repeat the lie often enough and it will become true – Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda chief) I now bring you an editorial from Asia Times Online which poses some interesting questions about Flight MH17 and the other Malaysia Airlines disaster, Flight MH370 and shows once again that opinion outside the Obamasphere is far more sceptical of FUKUS axis propaganda than the new Nazis:

THE ROVING EYE
Vanishing point …
By Pepe Escobar

First, passenger airliner MH370 vanished from Planet Earth. Then MH370 vanished from the news cycle. First, MH17 was shot down by “Putin’s missile” – as Planet Earth was told. Then MH17 vanished from the news cycle.

Where’s Baudrillard when we need him? Had he been alive, the dervish of simulacra would have already deconstructed these two Malaysian planes as mirror images; from absolute vanishing to maximum exposure, then vanished again. They might as well have been abducted – and shot – by aliens. Now you seem them, now you don’t.

Black boxes, data recorders – everything MH17 is now floating in a black void. The British are taking forever to analyze the data – and if they have already done so, they are not talking. It’s as if they were singing, I see a black box / and I want it painted black … void.

The Pentagon, with 20-20 vision over Ukraine, knows what happened. Russian intelligence not only knows what happened but offered a tantalizing glimpse of it in an official presentation, dismissed by the “West”. The best technical analyses point not to “Putin’s missile” – a BUK – but to a combination of R-60 air-to-air missile and the auto-cannon of an Su-25.

A reader led me to this fair assessment by former USAF and Boeing engineer Raymond Blohm: “With proper vectoring, a Su-25 need not be quite as fast as a Boeing 777 in cruise. It just has to get to a missile-firing position. Since the 777 was not maneuvering, it would be simple to pre-calculate when to get in a certain spot in the sky below the 777. From there, it’s the missile that has the speed and altitude capability to hit the 777. (The R-60 is a very capable missile.) After the missile takes out an engine, both the 777’s max speed and its max altitude are well within the Su-25 fighter’s speed & altitude capabilities. Then, the Su-25 can show off its cannon power.”

Continue reading this article at Asia Times Online and if any sub-50 IQ bell end shows up to tell us we should not believe anything I read if it was not first published in US, UK, or European propaganda, remember all my sources have produced evidence for their opinions, so far the propaganda merchants have not produced a single shred of evidence in support of their loonytoons narrative.

Unless like the leftie clowns you believe that “Our side are nicer people than them so you can believe us,” is evidence.

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Flight MH17 Shot Down By Air To Air Missile: New Straits Times

New Straits Times is the newspaper of record in Malaysia. It is not government owned but has close toes to the Malaysian Government.

from New Straits Times,

US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft
By Haris Hussain – 7 August 2014 @ 8:20 AM

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

In a damning report dated Aug 3, headlined “Flight 17 Shoot-Down Scenario Shifts”, Associated Press reporter Robert Parry said “some US intelligence sources had concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame”.

This new revelation was posted on GlobalResearch, an independent research and media organisation.

Continue reading the report which after detailing the Kiev’s denials goes on to reveal information even more damning for the Ukraine and United states military and intelligence agencies. The Malaysians have even gone so far as to suggest the USA deliberately withheld important information because it would have undermined their attempts to blame Russia. Mainstream media in the west has of course not printed or broadcast a word on this sensational story.

mh17 wreckageA fragment of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flight MH17, showing damage consistent with 30mm calibre machine gun fire (source New Straits Timeswhen I first suggested, shortly after the disaster and in the hours after President Obama had claimed to possess ‘compelling evidence’ that anti – Kiev rebels in Ukraine were responsible, that we should reserve judgement as it was too soon for any real evidence to have been gathered, I was jumped on by someone who accused me of being a gullible, right wing extremist conspiracy theorist for taking the reasonable line (read the comment thread). Thanks to Michael St Mark for joining in the fun by pointing out that while the Russians had produced their evidence pointing (inconclusively) to Kiev, the USA had produced nothing.

You may remember than when challenged by American reporters on the evidence Obama had claimed, a US State Department representative referred the press conference attendees to ‘social media’.

actually the timeline of events immediately after the disaster followed the pattern laid down in the CIA playbook. Straight away after a major disaster, the US government blames an organisation it wants to discredit. This grabs headlines around the world and makes an impression on minds. Much later when the full details emerge the case is far less clear cut but of course the propaganda game is over by then. The problem is the USA has pulled this stunt so many times nobody believes them any more, except for a few half wit bloggers who never stop to think before hitting they keyboard to announce that they have special insight and do not need to wait for evidence.

There is still no absolute detailed proof of what happened and probably never will be. There is however enough evidence to establish what did not happen.

I’d like to think my critic is a big enough man to come by now and admit he was wrong and I was right (but certainly not right wing – I’m not the authoritarian idiot that tries to shout down people who hold different opinions) and that in future he will respect my superior intelligence.

I will not be holding my breath however.

UPDATE:
The first comment in the thread, from Mark, a visitor, cites some claims made by the American government about alleged admissions of responsibility. Don’t be misled by this blatant attempt to undermine my post, the claim made by a rogue rebel leader in east Ukraine who thought a Ukrainian military aircraft had been shot down and was trying to make a name for himself was quickly proved to be false. All the points so far made by people determined to support the lies of the warmongering American President and his lackey have been comprehensively dealt with and for ease of reference are tagged mh17. So from that you may assume Mark is too dim witted or too arrogant to do a bit of research, the answers are all there, he just refuses to believe them because they don’t fit his prejudices.

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A second German Aviation expert Has Said MH17 Brought Down By Air To Air Missile

From an expert point of view,” the launch of the Malaysian Boeing was “ruled by an indigenous air defense missile with high probability” on July 17 on the Eastern Ukraine. This is the assessment retired Colonel Bernd Biedermann in an article for the daily newspaper published in Berlin “new Germany” (Thursday edition).

Had Splitter a surface to air missile hit the plane, it would immediately catch fire, argues the NVA anti-aircraft missile specialist. Cause is the “big frictional heat that generate splinter on strike-through of the missile. A single contains the same kinetic energy as a 40-ton freight car that runs 60 kilometers per hour on a buffer.”

In the case of Malaysian Boeing scattered fires had broken out after the impact with the ground, because hot aircraft parts had come in contact with combustible materials. Biedermann is familiar with Soviet and Russian air defense technology, he led units in the duty officer system in East Germany and taught at the Military Academy in the field of anti-aircraft missile troops.

To see the article in the original German follow this link:
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/59019/2791311/neues-deutschland-nva-raketenspezialist-mh17-nicht-von-boden-luft-rakete-abgeschossen

(The translation above is via Google translate (i.e. not perfect) because I speak a little Swedish but no German beyond tourist phrases.)

And here’s another view from Investment Watch

Articles are beginning to appear across the Web to the effect that Angela Merkel is disturbed by (and growing tired of) the incessant US propaganda being emitted in favour of its energy agenda….and so we must perhaps in turn view these articles in the light of her alleged new agenda concerning the creation of an alternative bloc to that of America. (More on this here in the near future).

But spin or not, these analyses make sense. The US State Dept has now shifted its position from ‘Russian atrocity’ to ‘tragic accident’. The above opinions suggest that neither are true: they suggest strongly that the Ukrainian air force took out MH17.

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/new-mh17-sensation-german-experts-point-finger-at-ukrainian-air-force-jets/#MZC4L3eWxjKRIQcO.99

If any stupid little tit comes along saying he’s a scientist so that proves he’s right and that because I question the western propaganda it means I believe the Russian propaganda and he knows better because he’s a scientist (read the comment thread on this blog and you will understand what I mean), just remind yourself that a scientists does not jump to conclusions but considers all the evidence and delivers a considered opinion. Further remind yourself that “Well Barack Obama said so,” does not constitute evidence.

So far the Russians have offered evidence but it is not conclusive. The government in Kiev have offered evidence that has been quickly exposed as fake. And a spokesperson for the US State Department has directed American news reporters to social media if they want evidence. So do you support the gullible idiot who believes every word that comes out of the teleprompter of the proven liar barack Hussein Obama, or do you look at ALL the reports and make up your own mind that a wise person would decline to pass judgement until an independent inquiry has published its findings?

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Who shot down MH17? Black Box Data Reveals Nothing We Did Not Know

rescue workers discover the flight recorder
Rescue workers discover Boeing 777 flight recorder (source)

As the political and media war over responsibility for the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 continues, here’s a chance to view a report put together by the BBC Russia news channel (In Russian with English subtitles).

Strangely the Beeb have taken this report offline now. Make what you will of that. The video shows the handling of the Black Box flight recorders, which mainstream media and supporters of the global – government fascist movement (or the ‘progressive left’, as these lying, war loving, authoritarians like to label themselves) insisted would provide incontrovertable evidence that pro Russian rebels or military personnel from Russia were responsible for firing the BUK missile that brought down the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777.

As sensible commentators said, the flight recorders could do no such thing, their purpose is to provide technical data from the aircraft and conversations between crew members. Thus the black box data would prove that the aircraft was shot down by a missile or anti aircraft shell, but could not possibly identify who fired it.

Similarly a conversation between pilot and co pilot might go something like this.

“WTF? what’s that down on the ground, a puff of smoke. There.”

“Probably noth … oh shit, there’s a missile coming our way and this airliner is too big for evasive action.”

“No point anyway, those things are radar guided. The send out a blip and lock onto the echo that comes off our planes body. We’re fucked.”

“There must be something we can do? How fucked are we.”

“We’re fucking fucked, that’s how fucked we are. Kiss you arse goodbye.”

It may seem I am making fun of the tragedy here but that is not the case, the families of the dead have my deepest sympathy.

The game here is about ridiculing those evil New World Order shits like Cameron and Obama who have tried to use this event as a political opportunity to stir up public feeling in favour of war with Russia and the useful idiots and gullible dupes in mainstream media and the cybersphere who are prepared to believe all this propaganda and despite their claims of ‘liberal’ principles are mad for war. That such hypocritical morons have the audacity to attack those with enough nous to question government actions justifies my flirting with bad taste to make a point.

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Propaganda and Journalism: A lesson for the left

W W 1 - a bloodbath justified by propaganda World War One – a bloodbath justified to the public by the kind of propaganda now being directed against Russia (source)

A few days ago I posted an article on the significant details regarding the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine, and the inconsistencies in the US / EU narrative that the government propaganda was not discussing and that mainstream media were not questioning.

The article attracted a few comments and one troll, a wannabe intellectual bully who wanted to convince me that I had no right to question the ‘official’ (i.e. American) version of events. There have been swarms of such trolls around the web, citing spurious credentials in an effort to establish that their (politically-correct, oligarchic collectivist) opinions are somehow made more valid by the fact that they question nothing that comes out of the FUKUS axis propaganda machine.

This particular troll emphasised his lack of intelligence by accusing me of believing the Russian / Ukraine separatist version of events. All I had said in fact was that there was absolutely no evidence to support President Obama’s accusation made hours after the disaster, that the government of Russia was undoubtedly responsible. He chose to interpret this as implying that I accepted the Russian version of events which blamed the Ukrainian government in Kiev for shooting down flight MH17. Bizarrely he claims he is a scientists. Not the only scientist I’ve encountered who is in need of remedial education in reading and comprehension.

I accepted no such thing. And I was proved right (as always), when the US State Department was challenged to substantiate its claims, a spokesperson referred reporters to social media chit chat.

We still don’t know who was responsible, theories that point to both separatist rebels with Russian support and Kiev government troops with US/EU support are still circulating but no conclusive evidence has been produced either way.

This devotion to partisan propaganda is not confined to the left however. On a television news analysis today the veteran journalist Max Hastings, who identifies himself as a conservative, was talking about reactions from online readers to his articles for a top selling newspaper supporting the American / European line and damning Russia.

Hastings admitted that the line he had taken was “People must believe the west, we’re the good guys, they’re the bad guys.”

He then said that a theme repeated by many commenters from around the world was; Why should we believe the Americans and British, they are proven liars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, drone strikes on Pakistan and the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian government.

And that acknowledgement, plus perhaps the fact that as days count down to the hundredth anniversary of the opening shots in World War One, explains why new media and many clear thinking, honest writers in mainstream media are taking a different line. People who have read a little history are remembering how as the world stumbled into that senseless bloodbath with governments on both sides lying to their citizens and the media of the day repeating those lies:

The World According to the Mainstream Media: Russia and Palestine are Guilty until Proven Innocent
Timothy Alexander Guzman
RINF Alternative News

They accused the Russian government and the Anti-Kiev militias in East Ukraine for its direct involvement in the downing of Malaysian Airlines MH-17 without any hard evidence to support their claim. US intelligence agencies did admit that Russia was not directly linked to the Malaysian Airlines incident, but they managed to blame Russia indirectly. They claimed “that Russia was responsible for “creating the conditions” that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement” according to ABC news.

The accusations against Russia were baseless. What is important to the families of the Malaysian Airlines tragedy is for them to find out the truth about those responsible for the crimes. Blaming actors who are not responsible for the crime will not bring peace to the families. The MSM has been actively defending Israeli actions against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip declaring that it was Hamas that murdered the three Israeli teens, an accusation that was also never proven. Regardless of the facts on the tragic deaths of those teenagers, Israel had declared a “revenge” war on the Palestinians. The MSM is following Washington and Tel Aviv’s talking points.

The bias reporting on the situation in Gaza is shameful. The death toll surpassed 800 for the Palestinians and for the Israeli’s it’s close to 40 casualties. The US and their Western partners along with their Israeli counterparts are working in conjunction against their political adversaries through its MSM Empire. They want war and they will do anything even have their media lie to the public in order to go what they want. What had occurred in the last couple of weeks concerning events in the Ukraine and Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are both tragic incidents, but the point I am making reflects on the MSM itself and their lack of journalistic principals.

Read all the article on the loss of journalistic and academic integrity in RINF

white hat back hatWhite hats versus black hats – reality is seldom that simple (source)

Here’s another view of the Malaysia Airlines controversy authored by two people whose names alone are guaranteed to kick off an irrational two minutes hate session from the neo – fascist left, Chris. Booker and Richard North:

Could Barack Obama have prevented the MH17 disaster?

US intelligence would have known the separatists had captured missile-launchers, and where they were being used

Christopher Booker in The Daily Telegraph

The most alarming unanswered question over the shooting-down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 is so fearful to contemplate that it has scarcely even been asked. Had President Obama in fact been better placed than anyone else to prevent that disaster from taking place? When, in his statement 24 hours after the plane was downed, the President stoked speculation about the involvement of President Putin, did he deliberately obscure the fact that, days earlier, he had already learned enough from his many intelligence sources to know that the 55 international airliners travelling every day along that flight path over eastern Ukraine faced the threat of precisely such a disaster? If so, why did the US authorities not make it a top priority to ensure that such flights were immediately halted?

In all the initial confusion over what Mr Obama called “this outrage of unspeakable proportions”, there was a hysterical rush to pin the blame on Russia’s president. “Putin’s killed my son”, as one newspaper front page had it. But, over the days that followed, as ever more information emerged about this story, the US government appeared to be backtracking on its original narrative.

Read full article at The Daily Telegraph

I don’t necessarily agree with Booker but he presents information that is worth considering as we classical liberals, libertarians and freethinkers consider all aspects of the case and form our own individual opinions. The notion of presenting an argument we may not totally and utterly agree with is incomprehensible to the knee jerkers (and wrist jerkers?) of the neo – fascist left of course. They love to march in lockstep, chant the slogans, and embrace the causes along with the rest of the crowd.

BUK missile launcher - infographicBUK Missile Launcher -NB people who think mathematical modelling is involved in aiming and firing these, it’s a radar guided system, sorree.

The spectacle of the progressive left or progressive liberals exposing inner fascist as the support authoritarian governments and clamour for war is becoming a major topic for freethinkers, radicals and true liberals. In this and my other blogs I have constantly taken an anti war line, the troll referred to in the first part of this article accuses me of being a right wing extremist (I suppose the scum sucking spawn of a pox whores scablouse thinks he is insulting me – well I said he’s not very good at English,) yet over the past few years he has consistently been in favour of war and military intervention by the FUKUS axis in the domestic affairs of sovereign states. It’s supposed to be the left who are pacifists and the right who love war, yet the neo fascist left seem to be mad for war and slaughter.

Perhaps this article goes some way to explaining why liberals and left wing thinkers hold the masses is such contempt:

How did liberals become so elitist and contemptuous of the public?

liberal democrat brain
The new left brain does not collect and process information in a logical,orderly, reasonable, and objective manner. Rather, liberal thinking is dominated by an obsession with power, and use of that power to preserve and or advance elitist advantages. (source)

How did liberals become so elitist and contemptuous of the public?

Daniel Ben-Ami
Journalist and author

10 July 2014

iberalism is one of a select band of troublesome political concepts that has multiple meanings. Indeed, ‘liberalism’ as used in one context can be the opposite of what it means in another.

The attitude of liberalism to freedom provides a prime example of these contradictory meanings. Classical liberalism, which was to the fore in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, typically placed a heavy emphasis on the importance of individual autonomy and liberty. In sharp contrast, contemporary liberalism tends to be deeply intolerant and elitist.

Fred Siegel, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank based in New York, has provided an enormous service with his innovative history of modern American liberalism, The Revolt Against the Masses. It helps put many of the most retrograde trends in the US into their proper context. It also helps shed light on parallel developments in other countries, including Britain, even though they are outside Siegel’s remit.

For Siegel, a defining feature of modern liberalism is its attachment to what he calls the clerisy – a technocratic elite which he identifies with academia, Hollywood, the prestige press, Silicon Valley and Wall Street. Despite its professed attachment to equality of opportunity, this elite holds the mass of the American public, what Siegel refers to as ‘the middle class’, in contempt. The clerisy sees itself as superior to the rest of the population on meritocratic grounds.

As the reach of the state has burgeoned, the clerisy has taken on an increasingly important social role. Over the years, American government has grown vastly, commanding more resources and employing more people, than ever before. As Joel Kotkin, one of the sharpest observers of contemporary American politics, has pointed out: ‘Since 1990, the number of government workers has expanded by some five million to some 20million. That’s four times the number who were employed by the government at the end of the Second World War, a growth rate roughly twice that of the population as a whole.’ Members of the technocratic elite present themselves as impartial experts, but their interests are closely tied to the fortunes of this vast state apparatus.

Read full article at Spiked

So there you are. Once you stop yourself being caught up in the medieval witch hunt tactics of the ‘left’, take a step back and view the bigger picture and start thinking for yourself, a very different picture emerges to the one painted by our hysterical leftie trolls as they clamour for the global war their bankster sponsors want for purposes of increasing their control, grabbing even more money and reducing the global population. Now are you still prepared to believe these facists because they tell you they are the cuddly side of the argument.

Now Things Are Starting To Make Sense

It is now known that the uprising in Ukraine early this year that saw the elected government, which was cooperating far too well with Russia for the liking of the western powers overthrown and replaced by a US and EU sponsored gaggle of gangsters, thugs and neo – fascists whose task was to serve western interests rather than those of Ukraine’s population.

Many commentators have suggested that if we join up the dots the picture that emerges reveals a push by powerful interests to establish a USA led global hegemony. And when we look at regime change wars and civil unrest in other countries the screams of “conspiracy theory” from those who yearn to live under a global totalitarian government take on a hollow tone.

Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine have all been destabilised by international action led by the United States. Libya, Iraq and Syria all have oil So how do Afghanistan and Ukraine fit in.

Afghanistan is the key to opening a pipeline route from the Caspian and former Soviet Republics in central Asia to the Indian Ocean. And there are rumours of possible untapped oil and gas reserves in Afghan teritory.

Ukraines strategic location on the pipeline routes from oil and gas fields in the Caucasus and around The Caspian Sea into Europe. And then there’s this:

from zero hedge
Company In Which US Vice President Joe Biden’s Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine

Recall what we said earlier today: the proxy war Ukraine conflict, just like that in Syria preceding it, “is all about energy.” Recall also the following chart showing Ukraine’s shale gas deposits, keeping in mind that the Dnieper-Donets basin accounts for approximately 90 per cent of Ukrainian production. Finally, recall our story from May that Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, just joined the board of the largest Ukraine gas producer Burisma Holdings. Now put it all together and you will like figure out what will happen next.

Well maybe not what will happen next but certainly why the USA is so desperate to drive a wedge between Russia and Europe and to demonise Vladimir Putin while in the same move gaining control of Ukraine’s oil and gas reserves. And that offers some insight into why Obama was on TV blaming pro Russian separatists for downing Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 almost before it was hit.

It also demonstrates that the pro EU Ukrainian government and western interests had a lot to gain from politicising such an outrage. So ignoring any outbursts from certain Professorial pricks who can’t understand that when I said there was no evidence last Thursday that the separatists were responsible that is not the same as saying the separatists were not responsible or that somebody else was.

I know it is incomprehensible to childbrains who try and give their words authority by announcing “I’m a scientist”, or “I work in a university”, but in the real world there are often more than two possible answers to a question. (Actually I can truthfully say I have worked in three universities, Manchester, Liverpool and Corpus Christi, Cambridge; IT consultants get around.)

And so sensible people take a step back and wait for the details to emerge before jumping to conclusions. We’re still waiting.

Ukraine’s gas / oil deposits (source)

ukraine gas oil deposits

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